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Post by MeekaAquraria on Nov 18, 2010 13:47:49 GMT
I thought i'd start this up since i have a suggestion about EAcon itself rather than a guest or screen suggestion. I would have just pm'ed someone but it occured to me that maybe the mods might like to have a thread where people suggest things they found cool about a con and post it here. Kinda like what's happening with the poor alcon review thread. It might also mean that faye-san can post the ideas that she is having from those reviews here to be debated by us and then she can see which we <3 and which we don't.
My first suggestion is something that has been bothering me from the start. The name. I'm positive that it came from east anglia convention. which is fine. except that everytime i see it i think of EA con. As in EA Games (its in the game). Now i may be the only one who thinks this (i'm studying games, i kinda have to). but my fear is we'll be descended by either EA lawyers giving out and shuting us down, or hoards of gamers wanting to find out the latest info on ea and the games their bring out and trying them out. Not necessarily a bad thing until they riot for there not being the latest releases and more games. Now i know i could be exaggerating but that is what i see happening with the name chosen.
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Post by The Jim on Nov 18, 2010 14:11:28 GMT
See, I agree with your comment there. That was exactly what I thought may be the case when I first came on here, but for some reason I forgot to mention it.
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Post by `AdeRin on Nov 18, 2010 15:04:19 GMT
Well, I can see what you mean, but to be perfectly honest, once the website is up for the convention itself, I can't see how anyone would mistake it for EA Games if it says "A Japan Convention in Norwich" or something at the top of the page. And as tickets are only going to be available in advance, we won't be having random people turning up and buying tickets for a gaming convention. All of our advertising will explain in a really obvious way what the convention is about. As for potential problems from lawyers etc. - from what I've heard in the past, we would only really get a problem with that if it WAS a gaming convention and we were basically ripping people off by suggesting that we're affiliated with EA Games when we're not. So for example, there may be two companies called HappyMan, but in completely different areas of commerce - one could be a solicitors and the other a food chain. Does that make sense? If you know any differently to this for certain, please let me know though, as I really don't want us to get into trouble ^^" Though I hate to say it, I can't see us changing the name. We tried various combinations of Norwich + Anime +Convention + East Anglia, and this really was the best we could find without using something that's already being used for something similar. Thanks for starting this thread though, it's a great idea  I completely didn't notice that we didn't have a general suggestions thread. If we get loads of suggestions in here, I'll make sure to post up a thread with "all of the members suggestions" so that people can catch up without having to read the whole of this thread |
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Post by XenLár on Nov 19, 2010 0:17:43 GMT
Hey ^^
I'm in totally agreement with everyone on here. I see your point IceBlade and thanks for pointing it out because actually I really didn't notice it.
But I also agree with faye-san here. We really attempted to come up with something that was easy to hear/say/write and worked with what we wanted.
If it makes it any easier for everyone I've been trying to write EACON in full caps every time I use it because a) I think it looks kwl that way, you may think I'm wrong and b) because every other convention does their initials in caps and the "on" of con in small, and I thought it would be nice to do something different. I don't know if this makes it any easier when looking at it as a whole word of EACON rather than EACon. I'm hoping to sways from the EA games thing.
On top of this, obviously I don't know how people are reading it in their heads but for faye and I we don't say E A Con. We say Eecon. So maybe thinking of it this way (if you don't already) will detract from the E A thing?
Though I agree with you and thank you for both raising the point and starting the thread I'm not sure what else to suggest.
On the other hand I don't want to become overly defensive of our idea and if you can think of anything else that we've missed in our discussions over the name then please feel free to say ^^. |
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Post by MeekaAquraria on Dec 3, 2010 11:32:57 GMT
Okay a couple of suggestions that's been perculating in my brain for a while.
1. on the name how about EsACon. pronouced as it's seen, Ess-A-Con. It would make great alliteration then if we go with shinigami, samuri and sorcerors as our guilds. I will admit that it doesn't look fantastic but its rolls off the tongue quite well.
2. on the clans front i've got two. I just think that shinigami might be too specific people will automatically think just bleach. maybe mobile suits or fighting suits (ruins my alliteration a little but would keep mecha fans happy). also instead of having two mascots dressing up as the clans, what about making it more personal with having three mascots for the con - sorceror mascot, samuri mascot and mecha mascot. You could get around the whole will we have two males or two females by having the mecha as a machine (cos chibi mecha is cute even if you don't like mecha) and then each clan could follow and support THEIR mascot in the clans.
And finally 3. on events, i think it would be cool to have either mini demo of a japanese martial art. either a quick fight between two (insured) belts or actual quick tips like this is how samuri would have held the sword this is how you clean it and some v. basic moves in a physical martial art. You could try and get the local schools involved by offering them advertisement or whatever, and then if you go with the swords i know a guy who makes cheap enough and safe props so we could buy bulk off him and keep them for more of these every year, with maybe some less basic moves like how to be a samuri 101 the first yr and then that and 102 the next yr. or else just demo's showing off the various fighting styles. If you're doing the con in a uni then they would probably have the mats together you would just need to talk about insurance with the college and if you get teachers and that in if its just them fighting (not us) they should be covered on their own insurance.
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Post by `AdeRin on Dec 3, 2010 11:46:07 GMT
1. I have to say I'm not fond of EsACon.... it sounds a bit like a geeky convention to do essays with each other xD 2. To be honest, I really don't want to change the mascots in any way. I know we've opened everything up for discussion, but we've put a lot of thought into them and though your ideas are really cool, our ideas for the shinigami mascots are (well, I think they are anyway lol) pretty cool. They're not like Bleach characters, and as we will be making the mascots into proper characters, with backgrounds and everything, rather than just a picture with a name, I'm hoping we've covered all grounds ^^" Hopefully this will give awareness to other anime/manga with shinigami. Heck, we might get someone cosplaying as Ryuuk from Death Note - how awesome would that be? 3. I absolutely love the idea of martial arts demonstrations. I know there are a few martial arts groups in Norwich, so if we contact them and see what we can get. I also have a friend who is the president of the tai-kwon-do club at the university, so it shouldn't be too difficult to get volunteers. I'm not sure about the local schools idea though - I'll see what Gem-chan thinks about it |
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Post by MeekaAquraria on Dec 3, 2010 17:33:07 GMT
well by schools i meant the clubs and that. as in schools of martial arts. it was just something none of the other cons do (i think) that would be pretty cool to see in real life.
With the mascots, it was more a suggestion because others haven't done clan individual mascots and i think it would be pretty cool. as for changing it it was a suggestion, cause just because you won't automatically think bleach don't mean others won't either. I'm aware that its a genuine mythos in its own right, and that there's death note out there too and I still went, what like bleach? that's a bit specific, though i suppose their trying to be different. its going to be like ninja's or one of them, they think naruto first. but at least people are aware there's more than just naruto out there.
As for the name well its going to be a geeky convention, its an anime convention, so you can't really object there, but i can see where you're coming from on the essays. I honestly still think people won't get past the name to see IS it to do with EA or not, they'll just assume it is. and as for pronoucing it eecon. either someone's stuck cold hands on your back or shoving something where the sun don't shine. might work for a horror convention, maybe not so much for anime. And putting it all in caps just seems more associated to EA than not. but that one might just be me.
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Post by `AdeRin on Dec 3, 2010 18:42:43 GMT
Ohhh, my apologies! I thought you meant schools as in primary/secondary schools, which I thought was a bit random xD So yes, definitely a great idea Which is what we thought too But then Gemma suggested having a male and female mascot for each guild, so that we don't run the possibility of anyone not joining a guild because they were put off by the mascot suggesting the clan was for a specific gender ^_^ And I do understand where you're coming from with the shinigami guild idea, but I'm really hoping that we can use the idea to broaden attendees knowledge of shinigami. For instance, I'd really like to run a panel about it, which would include an interview I found with the seiyu for Ichigo (Bleach), who talks about how he was thoroughly confused when he found out that Bleach had shinigami that were the good guys. I really don't know what else I can say about the name really. I know Gemma is going to respond to these posts as well, but personally I really don't want to change the name. Like I said before, we went through so many ideas to start with when we were looking for something. I think you may be overthinking things a bit with saying that pronouncing it ee-con is like someone sticking cold hands down your back - if it makes it better, think of it being spelt e-con, perhaps? Though maybe even E-CON could be a suggestion of a new name, though I have a sneaking suspicion that we may have looked into that already.... |
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Post by XenLár on Dec 3, 2010 19:17:38 GMT
Yes to the martial arts demos. V cool idea, I shall be adding it to the list.
Multiple mascots - like faye-san said we shall be making proper bios for each of the mascots etc and I know that it sounds like a lot to have six mascots for the con but if we're going along with your idea IceBlade of making the cons really unified within themselves then it's only two mascots that you're going to be close to. And there are two mascots for a lot of cons. I also think it's a good idea not to only have one gender for a guild as, rather than cutting bleach fans off into their own guild which you're worried about we might end up just splitting genders.
I agree with you on the mecha. I liked the idea of using mecha but I though that a) having four clans would be a little much at this stage, and b) I couldn't think of how to alliterate them. Also, I know that mecha are popular with a lot of anime fans but it's difficult to incorporate them into convention logos and designs as they're big and bulky and difficult to work with. Unless we made "mecha" into something like "human" robots. Like ghost in the shell etc. But still I think that three guilds is enough and I think that Shinigami, Sorcerors and Samurai would all work quite well together.
Like faye-san said, we're opening these talks up for discussion because it could be that we've missed something blatantly obvious and brilliant and someone could come up with but if we think that our idea is still the best one we'll defend it and try to explain how we came up with it. It's nice to know how you see things though, as a lot of things you've said I haven't always noticed myself.
Speaking of which - the EEEEE-con, cold hands down your back thing, was something I totally didn't notice lol. I think you're right faye-san with E-CON. I think we looked into it and it turned out to be an energy company or something.
I like the sound of EsACon. but it really doesn't look good written down. I'm not sure where the s is coming from either... |
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Post by The Jim on Dec 3, 2010 19:35:32 GMT
I don't know why Conventions think they have to slap initials before the word "-Con" to be honest. I was thinking ya could just with JapAnimeUK or JapAnimeCon, but the name JapAnime is copyrighted in at least America by the company who releases the "How To Draw Anime" books. Why try to promote 2 separate brands/names instead of just 1? Seems like more work than necessary.
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Post by `AdeRin on Dec 3, 2010 19:52:19 GMT
Just a quick response to what you've said, Jim:
The reason we haven't gone with JapAnimeCon is basically because we DO want the two things to be separate. If we have the convention named after the forum, then those people that aren't on the forum will feel alienated. If it were the other way around and we made a forum specifically because we were starting a convention and it was for people to get to know each other, that would be fine. But because we started this forum and then thought, hey, lets run a convention, as well, it seemed a little silly.
Does that make sense or have a barfed random words again? xD
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Post by XenLár on Dec 3, 2010 19:55:47 GMT
I don't know why Conventions think they have to slap initials before the word "-Con" to be honest. I was thinking ya could just with JapAnimeUK or JapAnimeCon, but the name JapAnime is copyrighted in at least America by the company who releases the "How To Draw Anime" books. Why try to promote 2 separate brands/names instead of just 1? Seems like more work than necessary. I see what you mean here Jim.
The reason we wanted to do these as two separate names is because we don't want people who don't/can't attend EACON to not join the forum or vice versa. We wanted to create a forum that was worldwide and then make a convention here in the UK.
The link we have between the two is that we are making it as - EACON: The JapAnime Convention.
Obviously we'll have to tread carefully on this one to avoid that American company you mentioned (though I'm annoyed because I checked the name JapAnime and could only find a very small independent art tutorial school in Japan, so I thought we were safe...) But anyway, we'll work with that. I hope I answered this cohesively. |
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Post by MeekaAquraria on Dec 3, 2010 20:48:27 GMT
I like the sound of EsACon. but it really doesn't look good written down. I'm not sure where the s is coming from either...
Yeah i loved how it sounded and then wrote it down myself and didn't like it. though admittedly i wrote it originally as EasACon, as in EAST A Con. but people might find that difficult to pronounce so that was out. And i liked it for the alliteration it made with the clans. Just written down it sucks. But i thought I would suggest it simply cause it's better than EACon. I see your point with the mecha, and I agree having the alliteration is awesome, which is why when i didn't like shinigami i spent two days trying to come up with something that also alliterated. Sadly the best i could do was Espers, which sorcerors covers anyway. also not to rain on parades but sorcerors in the west is definately one of those trad male pronouns. not that fantasy writers don't try and make it unisex, like witch, but its still predominately male. Just thought i'd mention it. though i am starting to feel like a party pooper. maybe you'll be successful in making it unisex. |
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Post by The Jim on Dec 3, 2010 21:33:04 GMT
I think it may be a bit ambitious to look to make a worldwide forum, and a UK-based con, especially when the main team behind this at the moment is just the 2 of you. I think you may be better of focusing on the Convention, and having this be the forum for the Convention, rather than looking at it as the Convention for the forum community.
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Post by `AdeRin on Dec 3, 2010 22:22:55 GMT
That's the thing, we're not looking at it as the convention for the forum community. They're supposed to be separate. We're not looking for worldwide fame for the forum or anything - I'm happy if it ends up with mainly UK-based members. However, if the forum is for the convention solely, then there are loads of people from other countries that wouldn't be interested in joining the forum. There are people that I'm going to give the link of this forum to that live in the US, for example. Why would they join if it was just for EACON, which they're not going to attend?
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